Morning Joe Doubles Down, Many times Dubs John Conyers an ‘Icon’

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Nancy Pelosi won close to-common condemnation for her feedback on Sunday’s Meet The Press while she praised accused sexual harasser and fellow Democratic Space Consultant John Conyers as an “icon.” Even CNN’s Chris Cillizza, who isn’t precisely professional-Republican, referred to as Pelosi’s comments “catastrophically dangerous.”

And but, on Monday’s Morning Joe, co-hosts Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski have been impressed to double-down on Pelosi’s feedback, again and again pointing out that Conyers is an “icon” and thanking Pelosi for “talking the reality.” Neither host used to be disappointed by way of the California congresswoman’s dismissal of the truthfulness of Conyers’s alleged sufferers.

 

 

Scarborough and Brzezinski’s feedback got here after a snappy replay of the highlights of Pelosi’s efficiency on Meet The Press:

REP. NANCY PELOSI [D-CA]: We’re reinforced via due procedure. Simply because anyone is accused — and used to be it one accusation? Is it ? I feel there needs to be — John Conyers is an icon in our united states of america. He has performed a perfect deal to offer protection to ladies — Violence Towards Ladies Act, which the left wi- — proper-wing is now quoting me as praising him for his paintings on that, and he did nice paintings on that. However in fact, as John critiques his case, which he is aware of, which I do not, I consider he’s going to do the-

CHUCK TODD: [interrupting]Why don’t you? Smartly how is it that you simply don’t-

PELOSI: [talking under Todd]I consider that he’s going to — excuse me, would possibly I end my sentence?

TODD: Positive, positive.

PELOSI: That he’s going to do the proper factor.

(…)

TODD: Do you consider John Conyers’s accusers?

PELOSI: I have no idea who they’re. Do you? They have got now not in reality come ahead.

If Morning Joe had any consistency, they might have adopted this up by way of calling the Democratic Birthday party “the birthday party of sexual harassers” or “the birthday celebration of perverts.” They have got for sure performed so with regards to Republican politicians expressing any trace of reinforce for Republican senatorial candidate and accused sexual predator Roy Moore.

As an alternative, Joe’s hosts beloved what Pelosi needed to say such a lot that they went method past the decision of responsibility to shield her place on Conyers or even pretended to be staunch supporters of due procedure:

MIKA BRZEZINSKI: Glance, I feel it’s actually necessary that the phrases “due procedure” have arise on this dialog. Now not that it is imaginable in each and every state of affairs, however on this state of affairs — each and every state of affairs that we’ve got coated over the last months is other with the exception of for perhaps one or . All of them have other dynamics to them. All of them have other ranges of nasty to them or dangerous to them. They usually all want to be handled another way. And I feel this one breaks my center. It in point of fact does.

JOE SCARBOROUGH: How surprising, the phrase [sic] due procedure

BRZEZINSKI: [interjecting]Thanks, Nancy Pelosi. Thanks.

SCARBOROUGH: –in reality enraged a few other folks the day past.

I’m now not positive what reviews Scarborough has come throughout, however I don’t assume too many of us have been enraged through the theory of requesting due procedure. They have been both dissatisfied via Pelosi calling Conyers an icon while additionally they consider he’s a serial sexual harasser or they have been galled via Pelosi’s transparent double requirements in now not believing Conyers’s alleged sufferers with out query. As Chris Cillizza placed it:

And, Pelosi’s different safety of Conyers — “We’re reinforced by way of due procedure. Simply because anyone is accused…” — seems like situational ethics at its absolute worst. Pelosi wasn’t protecting President Donald Trump or Roy Moore towards their accusers even if they, like Conyers, utterly denied the accusations of beside the point sexual behavior made towards them.

Actually, in the similar interview through which Pelosi defended Conyers, she cited Moore, the Alabama Republican Senate candidate who stands accused of pursuing relationships with women as younger as 14 while he used to be in his mid 30s, as a “kid molester.”

However Morning Joe’s mind agree with marched onwards, continuing to make the case that Conyers must renounce from Congress now not as a result of his alleged sexual improprieties, however as a result of he confirmed indicators of dementia 3 years in the past:

SCARBOROUGH: There is something larger right here with John Conyers. John Conyers 3 years in the past had articles written approximately him from individuals who loved him pronouncing he will have to step apart as a result of, in 2014 I feel it used to be, he went to the hole of an Arab-American museum. And, while he were given as much as communicate, he used to be speaking approximately Miles Davis and John Coltrane, rambling round. He’s appearing up in pajamas at conferences.

BRZEZINSKI: [softly]How antique used to be [trails off]?

SCARBOROUGH: He, the, other folks — someone in his administrative center must step in. He — they have been speaking approximately him having dementia a few years in the past.

(…)

SCARBOROUGH: In terms of John Conyers, the fellow’s appearing up in pajamas, k? He is, he’s obviously now not able to being a United States congressman anymore.

BRZEZINSKI: [interjecting]However he’s an icon.

SCARBOROUGH: Folks want to step in. Now so far as Nancy Pelosi getting hammered for being an icon, you inform me: What do you name this individual ahead of this came about? A man who used to be a Korean struggle veteran? A man who while he were given into Congress as one among handiest 4 black participants in Congress? A man who unmarried-handedly began the Congressional Black Caucus? A man who’s liable for Rosa Parks laying [sic]in state in the USA Capitol. I consider it used to be the primary black lady to ever be afforded that honor. Oh, he used to be in Selma on that bloody, bloody day such a lot of years in the past. I might name that an icon. I might name that an icon. If you are angry by way of that, if you are angry through Nancy Pelosi calling a person like that an icon, smartly allow me simply say that you simply strike a cord in me lots of the bible thumpers I grew up with and so much like Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker again in 1978 or 1979. Sure, he must be taken out of Congress. And sure, they want to rip the scab off of no matter what they have got within the Space the place they pay sexual harassment issues from tax greenbacks, they usually provide the member illustration, however now not the accuser. And, sure, he is clearly a risk to others. He is a risk to himself. He must be got rid of from Congress as a result of he is not able to being in Congress. And those who love him and those who deal with him want to acquire round him now and inform him it is time to move house.

BRZEZINSKI: [echoing Joe]To head house.

SCARBOROUGH: However, while he is going house, it is not George H.W. Bush shot out of the skies and into the waters of the Pacific. You recognize what? Pass judgement on the person via his ninety three years’ carrier to The united states. Pass judgement on John Conyers by way of his 88, 89 years and his carrier to The united states and get him out of Congress now.

Scarborough’s unusual argument that sure folks will have to only be judged via the good stuff they have got performed prior to now at the same time as ignoring contemporary allegations in their ethical or political corruption is not anything new. months in the past, Joe angrily declared that any one criticizing Sen. McCain for his an important position in shutting down an ObamaCare repeal vote will have to “stay [their]mouths close” basically as a result of his earlier historical past as a Vietnam veteran.

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Then again, Brzezinski took this abnormal line of reasoning even additional with Conyers, bizarrely intimating that he and different males “in that age vary” are clearly sexually predatory and show off conduct that may be “arduous to give an explanation for” as a result of they’re “affected by well being issues”:

It is any such just right aspect you are making, as a result of when you are speaking approximately males of their past due 80s and early 90s, you are speaking approximately people who find themselves affected by well being issues. And I do know, I simply had certainly one of my closest pals, Diane Smith, over just lately. We each just lately misplaced our fathers and we each had that second the place we needed to move to our fathers and say: It’s time to move house. It is time to pass house, you recognize, and be at house for a at the same time as. And the conduct of anyone in that age vary is simply — it is exhausting to give an explanation for from time to time. And it is very, very tricky to take care of. And it is kind of ill to inject it into this dialog that we are having. I feel it minimizes it. And thanks, Nancy Pelosi, for talking the reality.

So much males don’t devote intercourse crimes, allow on my own get started doing so as a result of “well being issues” or antique age. How precisely is it “ill” to criticize an antique guy for alleged sexual harassment? Will have to Conyers get a move as a result of his age? Or is it the “D” subsequent to his identify that makes Joe and Mika so shielding?

Be happy to make up your personal thoughts on that ultimate one.

A whole transcript of the phase follows under:

6:30 AM EST

[playing Meet The Press clip]

REP. NANCY PELOSI [D-CA]: We’re reinforced through due procedure. Simply because somebody is accused — and used to be it one accusation? Is it ? I feel there needs to be — John Conyers is an icon in our usa. He has performed an ideal deal to offer protection to ladies — Violence Towards Ladies Act, which the left wi- — proper-wing is now quoting me as praising him for his paintings on that, and he did nice paintings on that. However if truth be told, as John evaluations his case, which he is aware of, which I do not, I consider he’s going to do the-

CHUCK TODD: [interrupting]Why don’t you? Smartly how is it that you simply don’t-

PELOSI: [talking under Todd]I consider that he’s going to — excuse me, would possibly I end my sentence?

TODD: Positive, positive.

PELOSI: That he’s going to do the appropriate factor.

(…)

TODD: Do you consider John Conyers’s accusers?

PELOSI: I have no idea who they’re. Do you? They have got now not in point of fact come ahead.

[end clip]

MIKA BRZEZINSKI: Glance, I feel it’s in point of fact necessary that the phrases “due procedure” have arise on this dialog. Now not that it is imaginable in each and every state of affairs, however on this state of affairs — each and every state of affairs that we’ve got coated over the last months is other except for for perhaps one or . All of them have other dynamics to them. All of them have other ranges of nasty to them or dangerous to them. They usually all want to be handled another way. And I feel this one breaks my center. It in point of fact does.

JOE SCARBOROUGH: How surprising, the phrase [sic]due procedure-

BRZEZINSKI: [interjecting]Thanks, Nancy Pelosi. Thanks.

SCARBOROUGH: -in fact enraged a few folks the day prior to this. Pay attention, there is something else larger right here and I have ev- — I’ve heard, even heard conservatives say this approximately John Conyers — to start with, I do not remember this slush fund that they have got in Congress. I by no means knew approximately it. I am positive you did not find out about it both. It is outrageous. And, we want to get that open, want to recognize what that is approximately, and want to understand all of the accusers. Additionally, I am positive, you already know, allow’s simply presume that the accuser used to be handled badly and get that to the aspect. Allow’s speak about John Conyers, despite the fact that. I feel Nancy Pelosi were given in hassle for calling him iconic? Is that proper?

HAROLD FORD JR./JOSH EARNEST: An icon.

SCARBOROUGH: An icon. So, I take into account that in at the present time, on this surroundings, you are intended to wipe the whole thing out that any one’s ever performed in response to a few fees which are placed ahead. I keep in mind that. That is, that’s the local weather we are in at this time.

BRZEZINSKI: Particularly if they are — yeah.

SCARBOROUGH: I needless to say. I will be able to say this, although. There is something larger right here with John Conyers. John Conyers 3 years in the past had articles written approximately him from individuals who loved him pronouncing he will have to step apart as a result of, in 2014 I feel it used to be, he went to the hole of an Arab-American museum. And, while he were given as much as communicate, he used to be speaking approximately Miles Davis and John Coltrane, rambling round. He’s appearing up in pajamas at conferences.

BRZEZINSKI: [softly]How antique used to be [trails off]?

SCARBOROUGH: He, the, folks — anyone in his place of business must step in. He — they have been speaking approximately him having dementia a couple of years in the past. I do know we are not intended to speak about that once it relates to the President and the truth that the President’s talents, mentally, for those who take a look at interviews, appear to have, have-

BRZEZINSKI: Faded.

SCARBOROUGH: -faded a really perfect deal. That is purpose. And two decades from now, individuals are going to mention: Smartly glance what [sic]how he talked in ‘ninety nine, glance how he is speaking now. So, please, store your surprise for anyone else. I in point of fact do not provide a rattling what you take into consideration what I stated ‘lead to it is gonna be stated ten years from now. So prevent appearing surprised. Relating to John Conyers, the fellow’s appearing up in pajamas, k? He is, he’s obviously now not able to being a United States congressman anymore.

BRZEZINSKI: [interjecting]However he’s an icon.

SCARBOROUGH: Folks want to step in. Now so far as Nancy Pelosi getting hammered for being an icon, you inform me: What do you name this individual sooner than this came about? A man who used to be a Korean conflict veteran? A man who while he were given into Congress as certainly one of most effective 4 black participants in Congress? A man who unmarried-handedly began the Congressional Black Caucus? A man who’s liable for Rosa Parks laying [sic]in state in america Capitol. I consider it used to be the primary black lady to ever be afforded that honor. Oh, he used to be in Selma on that bloody, bloody day such a lot of years in the past. I might name that an icon. I might name that an icon. If you are angry by way of that, if you are angry by way of Nancy Pelosi calling a person like that an icon, smartly allow me simply say that you simply job my memory lots of the bible thumpers I grew up with and so much like Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker again in 1978 or 1979. Sure, he must be taken out of Congress. And sure, they want to rip the scab off of no matter what they have got within the Space the place they pay sexual harassment issues from tax greenbacks, they usually provide the member illustration, however now not the accuser. And, sure, he is clearly a risk to others. He is a risk to himself. He must be got rid of from Congress as a result of he is not able to being in Congress. And those who love him and those who deal with him want to collect round him now and inform him it is time to pass house.

BRZEZINSKI: [echoing Joe]To head house.

SCARBOROUGH: However, while he is going house, it is not George H.W. Bush shot out of the skies and into the waters of the Pacific. You realize what? Pass judgement on the person through his ninety three years’ carrier to The united states. Pass judgement on John Conyers through his 88, 89 years and his carrier to The united states and get him out of Congress now. And [stops].

BRZEZINSKI: It is this type of just right aspect you are making, as a result of if you find yourself speaking approximately males of their past due 80s and early 90s, you are speaking approximately people who find themselves affected by well being issues. And I do know, I simply had certainly one of my closest pals, Diane Smith, over just lately. We each lately misplaced our fathers and we each had that second the place we needed to pass to our fathers and say: It’s time to move house. It is time to pass house, you already know, and be at house for a at the same time as. And the conduct of anyone in that age vary is simply — it is exhausting to give an explanation for every so often. And it is very, very tricky to care for. And it is kind of in poor health to inject it into this dialog that we are having. I feel it minimizes it. And thanks, Nancy Pelosi, for talking the reality. We’re going to be proper again.         

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